"A liar from the beginning"

1. Alma 5: 25
     25 I say unto you, Nay; except ye make our Creator a liar from the beginning, or suppose that he is a liar from the beginning, ye cannot suppose that such can have place in the kingdom of heaven; but they shall be cast out for they are the children of the kingdom of the devil.
2. D&C 93: 25
     25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.